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Property Agents and Motor Dealers and Other Legislation Amendment Bill

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Hon. PJ LAWLOR (Southport—ALP) (Minister for Tourism and Fair Trading) (6.22 pm), in reply: I

thank all members for their contributions and their support for the progressive amendments contained in

this bill. At the outset I want to thank the departmental and ministerial staff for their assistance and

expertise in relation to this bill. These amendments will simplify and refine the residential real estate

contract process in Queensland, delivering benefits to industry as well as to sellers and buyers. These

amendments were developed following feedback from the real estate industry after a number of court

cases arising from the legislation as it currently stands.

 

The purpose of chapter 11 of the Property Agents and Motor Dealers Act 2000, or PAMDA as I

will refer to it, is to provide consumer protection for buyers entering into residential real estate contracts.

Real estate agents operating under the current PAMDA legislation have found some of the provisions to

be too prescriptive and onerous and, as a result, the purpose of them has been overshadowed by a

complicated process that is leading to inadvertent errors. This was highlighted by a review undertaken

by the former Service Delivery and Performance Commission. The government has taken heed of the

recommendations made by the commission and this bill brings to fruition those recommendations

through amendments to chapter 11 of the PAMDA legislation. These consumer protection measures are

mirrored in the Body Corporate and Community Management Act 1997. The bill also introduces a

number of other red-tape reduction measures in other areas of the PAMDA, most notably streamlining

the application process for a residential letting agent licence.

 

I thank the member for Mermaid Beach for his support of the bill, although I do not agree with his

speculation that these amendments may give the legal fraternity the opportunity to exploit loopholes—

quite the opposite in fact. As the member himself pointed out, the bill is designed to remove the

opportunity for minor and technical breaches that may give rise to termination of a contract.

I also do not accept the member for Mermaid Beach’s assertion that the government has been

responsible for poorly drafted legislation in this area. The real estate market is ever changing. Demands

of both buyers and sellers change depending on financial circumstances. Sales and marketing

techniques also change over time. It is completely appropriate that the PAMDA be amended as needed

to respond to these changes to ensure that the objectives of the legislation, particularly the consumer

protection objectives, continue to be met. Technology also changes. In the recent past we had to

change legislation as a result of a court case which related to the attachment of documents. When that

legislation was changed it was not contemplated that facsimile machines would be available, and

obviously when you fax documents there is no ability to attach documents. That is an example of where

technology has overtaken the legislation, which then, as a result of a court case, needed to be

amended.

 

The member for Mermaid Beach described at some length the detail of some of these

amendments over time. It is apparent from his descriptions that the government has been proactive in

ensuring that Queensland’s property agents and motor dealers regulatory environment remains an

effective tool in ensuring a fair and equitable marketplace. Contrary to the member for Mermaid Beach’s

claims, this government has also listened carefully to the industry in developing this bill. He went

through some of the people who were consulted. The department has consulted with key stakeholders

including, for instance, the Real Estate Institute of Queensland and the Queensland Law Society and

has taken their feedback on board.

 

As was mentioned by the member for Bundaberg, we will be working with the industry to conduct

information sessions throughout the state to ensure best practice in the contract process. The bottom

line is that not everyone will be 100 per cent happy with these amendments. The bill aims to strike a

balance between the needs of all industry stakeholders, including sellers and buyers. I thank the

member for Mudgeeraba for her support of the bill and agree with her statements that these

amendments will give industry greater certainty and clarity about the way it does business.

I thank the member for Kawana for his gracious allowance of the bill. His comment that the bill

corrects the government’s mistakes is simply incorrect. This bill is responding to a number of court

cases, as I mentioned, and the member should understand that it is ultimately up to the courts to

determine cases on their merits. The member for Kawana asked why the requirement about the top

sheet has been removed. The point of these amendments is to simplify the prescriptive requirements of

the PAMDA legislation. To continue to prescribe placing a statement as a top sheet would be contrary to

this aim. However, it will continue to be recommended to sellers and sellers’ agents to maintain this

practice of attaching the warning statement as the top sheet of the proposed contract documents to

maximise opportunity for buyers to sight and sign the warning statement prior to signing the proposed

relevant contract.

 

The member for Kawana asked me about the cooling-off period in terms of when it starts. It starts

on the day that the buyer receives a copy of the relevant contract and not, as the member suggested,

the day after. The member for Kawana also asked me about the communication of acceptance. This can

occur by any means acceptable in contract law, including orally, written notice, fax or by return signed

contract.

 

The member for Kawana also referred to clear statements. The proposed amendments contain a

requirement to give a clear statement directing the buyer’s attention to the warning statement and

proposed relevant contract. The proposed amendments give an example of how a clear statement in

writing could be framed. The intention of requiring a clear statement to be given to buyers is to ensure

that their attention is drawn to the important advice and information contained in the warning statement,

as well as to the proposed relevant contract. It has the additional benefit of ensuring that the warning

statement is attached to the proposed relevant contract, as the seller or the seller’s agent cannot draw a

buyer’s attention to a document which is not attached to the proposed relevant contract. If a clear

statement directing the buyer’s attention to the warning statement and proposed relevant contract is not

given, and providing the buyer has not signed the warning statement indicating the buyer’s attention has

been drawn to the documents, the buyer may terminate the contract within 90 days of the formation of

the relevant contract without penalty. Any deposit paid by the buyer must be refunded.

Essentially, the warning statement, when it is signed by the purchaser, is basically conclusive

evidence that the warning has been given. It even says in the buyer’s acknowledgement, which is

essentially a declaration, ‘We have read all sections of the warning statement. We acknowledge that by

signing this warning statement our attention has been directed to the warning statement and the

attached proposed relevant contract by a clear statement. We have signed the warning statement

before we signed the attached proposed contract.’ So it is quite plain that, when they have signed that,

that is an acknowledgement that they have had their attention directed towards that warning statement.

The member for Gaven raised the issue of 90 days. Essentially, short-term contracts typically

extend from 30 to 90 days. Longer term sale contracts can be up to 5½ years. So 90 days was chosen

as the longer period of the shorter term contracts, and that was considered to give parity to all

purchasers.

 

Opposition members made a number of claims that the government has had to make a number of

amendments to PAMDA over time. I think I have addressed most of those comments. It is ironic that the

member for Bundaberg was full of praise for the amendments proposed in this bill. In terms of other

members such as the member for Hervey Bay, I am not sure what that was about. But as well as I could

understand it, he asked a lot of questions or made statements. I think the answer to all of those

statements or questions is a pineapple. That is the answer.

 

As I previously noted, these changes have been necessary in order to respond to an everchanging

market. I accept, however, that there is a need for the government to recognise that the

legislation can be simplified even further and I am considering options for how that could be done in the

near future. The bill affirms Queensland as a safe market in which to purchase real estate. The bill is just

another way that the Bligh government is working to simplify life for Queensland businesses—in this

case, the real estate industry—while at the same time ensuring that consumers have their rights

protected. I thank all honourable members for their support of this bill, and I commend the bill to the

House.

 

Sitting suspended from 6.31 pm to 7.30 pm.

 

Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER (Mr Wendt): Order! I advise the House that the division bells are not

completely audible in all offices within the George Street wing of Parliament House, which is the wing we

are in now. The bells are working, however, in the corridor areas. Earlier this afternoon an amplifier

failed. The Parliamentary Service is resourcing a replacement but will not be able to implement a

solution until either after the House rises or before the House sits tomorrow morning.

 

Question put—That the bill be now read a second time.

 

Motion agreed to.

 

Bill read a second time.

 

Consideration in Detail

 

Clauses 1 to 3, as read, agreed to.

Clause 4—

 

Mr LAWLOR (7.31 pm): I move the following amendments—

1 Clause 4 (Amendment of ch 11 (Residential property sales))

Page 10, line 25, ‘entered into’—

omit, insert—

‘signed by the buyer’.

2 Clause 4 (Amendment of ch 11 (Residential property sales))

Page 10, line 29, ‘entered into’—

omit, insert—

‘signed by the buyer’.

3 Clause 4 (Amendment of ch 11 (Residential property sales))

Page 10, lines 32 and 33, ‘entered into’—

omit, insert—

‘signed by the buyer’.

4 Clause 4 (Amendment of ch 11 (Residential property sales))

Page 11, line 2, ‘entered into’—

omit, insert—

‘signed’.

5 Clause 4 (Amendment of ch 11 (Residential property sales))

Page 13, after line 26—

insert—

‘(8) If there are 2 or more proposed buyers relating to the proposed relevant contract and subsection (2) is complied

with in relation to at least 1 of the proposed buyers, the subsection is taken to have been complied with in relation

to each of the proposed buyers.’.

 

I table the explanatory notes to the amendments. I think they are self-explanatory.

 

Tabled paper: Explanatory notes for the Hon. Lawlor’s amendments to the Property Agents and Motor Dealers and Other

Legislation Amendment Bill.

 

Mr STEVENS: I have a question for the minister in relation to an amendment that we received

today. That amendment relates to notifying buyers. It basically says ‘we notify one buyer’ as opposed to

all buyers of the property. I would like to ask the minister about the case where one buyer of a group of

buyers does not receive the appropriate advice, which obviously gives him the chance to void the

contract because he has not received that advice. The other buyers may well want to proceed, for

different financial market reasons, but because that buyer has not received that information he has the

capacity to void the contract. How will that situation be addressed by this amendment?

 

Mr LAWLOR: I am advised that it is the responsibility of the seller, firstly, to direct the attention of

one of the purchasers. That notification will then be signed and will still be attached in the normal

circumstances to the contract. If it is not, then it is up to the purchasers to decide what they want to do.

As the member has mentioned, some may well want to proceed and others may not, but the vendor has

discharged his or her obligation by pointing out to the purchasers their obligation to sign the disclosure

statement. Once that is signed, it is then up to the purchasers to sort it out between themselves.

 

Mr STEVENS: But in terms of consumer protection for the other buyers, they do not want to see

the contract void.

 

Mr LAWLOR: Sure.

Mr STEVENS: They want it to proceed, but because that other purchaser has taken the

opportunity to not acknowledge to them that he has not received that advice he may well want to void

the contract, which may leave the other purchasers severely financially disadvantaged. That is the issue

that I am trying to get around. How do we address that?

 

Mr LAWLOR: I am advised that the seller has discharged his or her obligation—and

remembering that in most of these situations there would be an agent involved anyway—but in the

event of the situation the member has described where three have signed the warning statement and

one has not, then they have to sort that out between themselves. Certainly, the one purchaser who has

not signed would not be in a position to rescind the contract, given that the other three had

acknowledged that their attention had been drawn to the warning statement. I would imagine they would

have to sort that out between themselves. Maybe the solution would be that one of them would drop out

of the contract, but they would not be in a position where they could rescind the contract through the

default of the vendor to point out the warning statement to each of those four purchasers.

Amendments agreed to.

 

Mr STEVENS (7.36 pm): New section 369A provides for a consumer to waive the compulsory

five-day cooling-off period. Some buyers who are unaware of real estate rules and regulations could be

easily persuaded into waiving the right on the pretext that that would secure the relevant property for

them from other potential buyers and would reduce red tape surrounding the contract of sale. They

could get that advice from not-so-helpful solicitors. So even though they are independent—all of those

matters that the minister talked about—this will result in the sellers pressuring buyers to waive the

cooling-off period in order to ensure a speedy sale.

 

There is nothing in the legislation to protect consumers from pressure resulting from new section

369B. New section 369B allows the cooling-off period to be shortened. As I have just said in relation to

section 369A, I am concerned that unwary buyers will be tricked, forced or pressured into shortening the

cooling-off period. As we know, the cooling-off period is an essential part of consumer protection.

This protection has been in place since 2000. The government is now giving the option for the

cooling-off period to be waived. Does this mean that there will be a risk of consumers being taken

advantage of and being pressured into giving up this important right?

 

Mr LAWLOR: No, it will not involve a purchaser putting himself or herself at risk. In fact, it is a

requirement of anyone who is waiving the cooling-off period to get a certificate from a solicitor and that

certificate must specify that the solicitor has explained the implications of waiving that cooling-off period.

In fact, it can work both ways in the sense that you still have to get a certificate from a solicitor but,

maybe in a situation where you might be able to negotiate a better deal, a purchaser can offer to the

vendor to waive a certain part or all of that cooling-off period. Nevertheless, even in those circumstances

that person still must have a certificate from a solicitor saying that he or she has obtained independent

advice and that the implications of the waiving of the cooling-off period have been explained to the

purchaser.

 

Clause 4, as amended, agreed to.

 

Clauses 5 to 9, as read, agreed to.

 

Clause 10—

 

Mr STEVENS (7.39 pm): Another example is the removal of the provision requiring motor dealers

to satisfy the chief executive that the use of the place of business is authorised under the Sustainable

Planning Act 2009 for the licence to operate. There are many more provisions that remove requirements

in favour of licensed sellers. It cannot possibly be an increase in consumer protection to not make them

prove that they are vending from a licensed Sustainable Planning Act premise. Is the change due to

potential costs and is this damaging the protection in relation to excluding that planning?

 

Mr LAWLOR: No, there is no consumer protection issue involved in the point that the member

makes. The requirement to provide proof of their business premises being authorised under the

Sustainable Planning Act applies only to motor dealer applicants and to motor dealers who change or

require business premises. The requirement is usually satisfied by the applicant motor dealer providing

some evidence from a local authority that the business premises comply with the local authority’s

planning by-laws. However, the requirement for motor dealer applicants to satisfy this requirement is

incompatible with the eligibility requirements for any other type of licensed category under PAMDA. That

is the only one that was required. It was considered not to be logical just for that one to require that

provision. The current provision addresses the use of premises for motor-dealing purposes. More

appropriately they are left to the local authority. As the member would be well aware, the local authority

polices those sorts of issues.

 

An honourable member: Even in Southport.

Mr LAWLOR: Even in Southport and even in Mermaid Beach, I understand. Obviously in the

policing of the planning laws the local authority, if it had the issue drawn to its attention, would take steps

against any business, not only motor dealers, if it was carried on in an inappropriate zoning.

 

Clause 10, as read, agreed to.

 

Clauses 11 to 23, as read, agreed to.

 

Clause 24—

 

Mr STEVENS (7.42 pm): I refer to part 4, ‘Other amendments’. I draw the minister’s attention to

the many amendments that remove various requirements for those licensed under this act.

 

Mr LAWLOR: I believe that the member is referring to clauses in the schedule, not in the actual

bill itself.

 

Mr STEVENS: The other ones were in the bill. This clause relates to part 4, ‘Other amendments’,

which I think is clause 24. Basically, clause 1 of the schedule removes the requirement for those

applying for an agent’s licence to provide photographs with their application. This is one example of the

removal of the accountability for licensed agents and motor dealers. What is the reason for not requiring

a photo in an application for a real estate licence?

 

Mr LAWLOR: I am advised that there are around 38,000 of these licensees and it is a massive

requirement and a massive use of resources. We require all applicants for licences for resident letting

agents, real estate agents, property developers, pastoral houses, motor dealers, auctioneers and

commercial agents to supply two recent certified photographs of themselves for the production of a

photo licence. Current licensing infrastructure does not readily allow the department to utilise these

photographs without incurring substantial additional cost with little apparent benefit to the industries or to

consumers in having these occupations have a photo licence as well as a paper based licence.

There are currently in excess of 46,000 licence and certificate holders under PAMDA. The

amendment intends to repeal the requirement for applicants to supply photographs except for

commercial agents, otherwise known as debt collectors or process servers, and their subagent

employees. Because there is a very small volume of applicants for commercial agent licences or

subagent licences or registration, these can be processed manually at very little cost.

As I said, there are 46,000 of the other licences. It is important for commercial agents and

subagents to properly identify themselves to debtors because they are repossessing goods, serving

process and so on, and that is where the identification is important and required. A photo licence in this

case is an appropriate means of satisfying the debtor that the person is a licensed or registered

individual. It is not considered necessary for those other 46,000 licence holders. It is basically doing

away with another level of red tape.

 

Clause 24, as read, agreed to.

 

Schedule, as read, agreed to.

 

Third Reading

 

Hon. PJ LAWLOR (Southport—ALP) (Minister for Tourism and Fair Trading) (7.45 pm): I move—

That the bill, as amended, be now read a third time.

Question put—That the bill, as amended, be now read a third time.

Motion agreed to.

Bill read a third time.

 

Long Title

Hon. PJ LAWLOR (Southport—ALP) (Minister for Tourism and Fair Trading) (7.45 pm): I move—

That the long title of the bill be agreed to.

Question put—That the long title of the bill be agreed to.

Motion agreed to.

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